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		<title>By: Was a Jenman</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3479</link>
		<dc:creator>Was a Jenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Jenman. At the time I felt you had some valid points until I realised you were no different to any other real estate agent. You have tried to build a brand no different to &quot;LJ Hooker you&#039;re the best&quot;!!!
You come across as a decent kid of guy, but do you earn anything from all of this?
You have been on Australian Story, but is that more [xxxxx editor insert] Story?
Do you really care for people being ripped off? Have you ever sold a property you felt was over priced?
Did you pitch in for the difference?
I&#039;m assuming you did because you are an inspiration to a lot of people.
Could you please put any evidence of this on this website of you giving back to purchasers you felt had overpaid.

Thanks Neil.

God bless you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Jenman. At the time I felt you had some valid points until I realised you were no different to any other real estate agent. You have tried to build a brand no different to &#8220;LJ Hooker you&#8217;re the best&#8221;!!!<br />
You come across as a decent kid of guy, but do you earn anything from all of this?<br />
You have been on Australian Story, but is that more [xxxxx editor insert] Story?<br />
Do you really care for people being ripped off? Have you ever sold a property you felt was over priced?<br />
Did you pitch in for the difference?<br />
I&#8217;m assuming you did because you are an inspiration to a lot of people.<br />
Could you please put any evidence of this on this website of you giving back to purchasers you felt had overpaid.</p>
<p>Thanks Neil.</p>
<p>God bless you</p>
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		<title>By: NZ investor</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3478</link>
		<dc:creator>NZ investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Jenamn. You are an idiot!! Purely my opinion.....
You think that people are idiots. You think that people should not listen to anybody but you!
If people were to listen to you, you should never, ever make any kind of profit from property.
I have heard for the last 15 years from people like you, &quot;don&#039;t buy on the Gold Coast&quot;.
The units I wanted to buy in 98 for $175k are now worth $450k plus.
But of course, people like you say, don&#039;t listen to the white shoe brigade.
People like yourself were outraged years ago when people were paying $235,000 for properties in Robina. They are now worth more than double that price and you said those agents were taking taking the piss, pretty much.
For those that missed out (like myself), are you prepare to pay us the difference? Seeing as though it was such a bad investment at the time, are you prepared to pay us the loss in capital gains?
No?????
I thought not. [xxxxx editor insert] and find something else to complain about.

Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Jenamn. You are an idiot!! Purely my opinion&#8230;..<br />
You think that people are idiots. You think that people should not listen to anybody but you!<br />
If people were to listen to you, you should never, ever make any kind of profit from property.<br />
I have heard for the last 15 years from people like you, &#8220;don&#8217;t buy on the Gold Coast&#8221;.<br />
The units I wanted to buy in 98 for $175k are now worth $450k plus.<br />
But of course, people like you say, don&#8217;t listen to the white shoe brigade.<br />
People like yourself were outraged years ago when people were paying $235,000 for properties in Robina. They are now worth more than double that price and you said those agents were taking taking the piss, pretty much.<br />
For those that missed out (like myself), are you prepare to pay us the difference? Seeing as though it was such a bad investment at the time, are you prepared to pay us the loss in capital gains?<br />
No?????<br />
I thought not. [xxxxx editor insert] and find something else to complain about.</p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>By: NZ investor</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3477</link>
		<dc:creator>NZ investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IS Mr Jenman giving back some royalties to people like myself from his book publishing?
Is Mr Jenman going to look after me after paying $20,000 too much for my property but now I am $145,000 ahead?
Is Mr Jenman going to tell me how purchasing property is different to purchasing any other investment?
If I were to buy BHP at $38 and now it is worth $26, is my broker a spruiker?
I bought Mac Bank shares at $68 dollars and now they are worth under $40. Has Mr Jenman written a book about some of the people I should be mad about?
Jenman - [xxxxx editor insert]and stop thinking people are as stupid as what you think.
You are no better than the the ones out there looking for the wood ducks!!
Go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IS Mr Jenman giving back some royalties to people like myself from his book publishing?<br />
Is Mr Jenman going to look after me after paying $20,000 too much for my property but now I am $145,000 ahead?<br />
Is Mr Jenman going to tell me how purchasing property is different to purchasing any other investment?<br />
If I were to buy BHP at $38 and now it is worth $26, is my broker a spruiker?<br />
I bought Mac Bank shares at $68 dollars and now they are worth under $40. Has Mr Jenman written a book about some of the people I should be mad about?<br />
Jenman &#8211; [xxxxx editor insert]and stop thinking people are as stupid as what you think.<br />
You are no better than the the ones out there looking for the wood ducks!!<br />
Go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenmans Aliar</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenmans Aliar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 03:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very interesting post about Mr Neil Jenman. It seems he has really upset someone. http://trialbyinternet.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very interesting post about Mr Neil Jenman. It seems he has really upset someone. <a href="http://trialbyinternet.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://trialbyinternet.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3471</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 08:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queensland Dan,

A couple of questions if I may.

This obviously happened a while ago, is the agency a paid up member of the Jenman Organisation now?

If yes, why hasnt he responded to you now that he has his money?

Jenman is happy to go after other agencies when he beliieves they have acted inappropriately whether they are a paid up member or not. If he thinks you have a case then why in this case will he not help you?

Why havnt you used the agency and the salespersons name?  Why are you naming Jenman, but  nobody else. Not the company involved, the salesperson or the Jenman staff member you spoke with.

There are two sides to every story and we have only heard yours, but from what I can tell you were not the easiest owner to deal with. Some salespeople cannot handle high maintenance vendors and their answer is to  put their head in the sand and hope it will all go away. Experience has shown that quite often the best way to deal with that sort of situation is to increase the level of communication which normally heads off most problems.

Please dont get me wrong.. I have no doubt many of the problems were you experienced was caused by the fact that they were lack lustre in their task, but some of the things you were asking they just could not do. Besides.. I have no doubt.. if  I was selling through an agent, I too would be a high maintenance vendor.

Agents have a responsibility to tell you about fair offers whether you like them or not or if you will or will not accept them . They also have a responsibility to tell you when your over priced. Thats the law. For a salesperson not to tell you about an offer is a court case waiting to happen.  If he did not explain that to you at the time of listing or later, that is what is disappointing. I am sure if your circumstances had changed overnight and you found out that they had turned away a fair market offer that you would now accept you would be the first one to complain.

I suspect that Jenman has done nothing to help you because he just does not rate your complaints as high as you did. He is never going to get on A Current Affair because a vendor is complaining they got an offer they did not want to hear. No money and no exposure for him and he just could not be bothered.

I sympathise with you and it certainly should have been handled better. With that in mind, I really reckon you should move on and forget about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queensland Dan,</p>
<p>A couple of questions if I may.</p>
<p>This obviously happened a while ago, is the agency a paid up member of the Jenman Organisation now?</p>
<p>If yes, why hasnt he responded to you now that he has his money?</p>
<p>Jenman is happy to go after other agencies when he beliieves they have acted inappropriately whether they are a paid up member or not. If he thinks you have a case then why in this case will he not help you?</p>
<p>Why havnt you used the agency and the salespersons name?  Why are you naming Jenman, but  nobody else. Not the company involved, the salesperson or the Jenman staff member you spoke with.</p>
<p>There are two sides to every story and we have only heard yours, but from what I can tell you were not the easiest owner to deal with. Some salespeople cannot handle high maintenance vendors and their answer is to  put their head in the sand and hope it will all go away. Experience has shown that quite often the best way to deal with that sort of situation is to increase the level of communication which normally heads off most problems.</p>
<p>Please dont get me wrong.. I have no doubt many of the problems were you experienced was caused by the fact that they were lack lustre in their task, but some of the things you were asking they just could not do. Besides.. I have no doubt.. if  I was selling through an agent, I too would be a high maintenance vendor.</p>
<p>Agents have a responsibility to tell you about fair offers whether you like them or not or if you will or will not accept them . They also have a responsibility to tell you when your over priced. Thats the law. For a salesperson not to tell you about an offer is a court case waiting to happen.  If he did not explain that to you at the time of listing or later, that is what is disappointing. I am sure if your circumstances had changed overnight and you found out that they had turned away a fair market offer that you would now accept you would be the first one to complain.</p>
<p>I suspect that Jenman has done nothing to help you because he just does not rate your complaints as high as you did. He is never going to get on A Current Affair because a vendor is complaining they got an offer they did not want to hear. No money and no exposure for him and he just could not be bothered.</p>
<p>I sympathise with you and it certainly should have been handled better. With that in mind, I really reckon you should move on and forget about.</p>
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		<title>By: Queensland Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>Queensland Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 08:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam. If you are referring to my posts when you said &quot;It sounds like you just had a crap agency on the job...&quot; let me assure you that an associate that Jenman had contact me, confirmed to me that the agent we were dealing with at the time was NOT JENMAN APPROVED AND WAS NOT A PAID UP MEMBER OF THE JENMAN ORGANISATION

I could give you the name of the person who quoted this to me and it is a person involved in the real estate business and it is a person associated with Jenman who Jenman had contact me when I raised my concerns about the local &quot;Jenman approved agency&quot; in the first place.

Sure, there are crap agencies out there, but there are also agencies trading under false pretences and in this case Jenman knows, his associate knows and the agency principal knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam. If you are referring to my posts when you said &#8220;It sounds like you just had a crap agency on the job&#8230;&#8221; let me assure you that an associate that Jenman had contact me, confirmed to me that the agent we were dealing with at the time was NOT JENMAN APPROVED AND WAS NOT A PAID UP MEMBER OF THE JENMAN ORGANISATION</p>
<p>I could give you the name of the person who quoted this to me and it is a person involved in the real estate business and it is a person associated with Jenman who Jenman had contact me when I raised my concerns about the local &#8220;Jenman approved agency&#8221; in the first place.</p>
<p>Sure, there are crap agencies out there, but there are also agencies trading under false pretences and in this case Jenman knows, his associate knows and the agency principal knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Weeding</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3470</link>
		<dc:creator>Trevor Weeding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just amazed that, after all the trouble News Ltd went to, trying to keep Jenman ads out of their publications (particularly their community papers), he get quoted as an industry source in Justin Vallejo&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just amazed that, after all the trouble News Ltd went to, trying to keep Jenman ads out of their publications (particularly their community papers), he get quoted as an industry source in Justin Vallejo&#8217;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulD</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3469</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 03:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good call Greg.
Jenman was around prior to the introduction of the S. 47 provisions in the PS&amp;B Act (in NSW) and obviously has no idea of those provisions, and anyone who has a real estate business in NSW and doesn&#039;t know about those provisions - either get familiar with it - or get out of the business.  S. 47 relates to disclosure provisions of advertising rebates (amongst other things)  Talking about increases in costs  - as I previously indicated, Domain&#039;s ambit claim for an increase in subscroption costs this year (in my case) was 36%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good call Greg.<br />
Jenman was around prior to the introduction of the S. 47 provisions in the PS&amp;B Act (in NSW) and obviously has no idea of those provisions, and anyone who has a real estate business in NSW and doesn&#8217;t know about those provisions &#8211; either get familiar with it &#8211; or get out of the business.  S. 47 relates to disclosure provisions of advertising rebates (amongst other things)  Talking about increases in costs  &#8211; as I previously indicated, Domain&#8217;s ambit claim for an increase in subscroption costs this year (in my case) was 36%.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3468</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 11:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting smear article. There is an old saying about Finger Pointing - When you point your finger at someone there are three fingers pointed back at you.

&quot;The real estate rip-off was revealed by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in their producer price index released yesterday that showed the annual rise in business costs and charges.
While Australian businesses overall recorded a 4.8 per cent increase in the past year, real estate agents fees and charges increased by 16.57 per cent. &quot;

The cost of running a real estate agency keeps escalating. The level of customer service &amp; the man hours that have to be dedicated towards marketing a property, plus, add to this all the red tape that agents have to go through now to comply with recent law changes. The workload is getting absurd.

When Jenman mentions &quot;For example, an agent may pay $100 a month to advertise a property as much as they want -- and can then charge whatever they want to their customers.&#039;&#039; Neil obviously thinks that the updating of the internet is done by waving a magic wand. Just ask the marketing person in any office if they are volunteers or on the pay role. In many offices the uploading of properties onto the internet has become an additional full-time job, so your $100 a month has just blown out to about $3000/month Neil.
(Maybe if the Approved office had someone dedicated to making sure their internet marketing was correct they mightn&#039;t have got such a bad rap - who knows?)

In recent years the real estate agent licensing requirements has also been made easier which has created more competition. With the real threat of mobile/virtual agencies entering the market the competition will only keep increasing.

While agents may be charging a bit more in some cases, a hell of a lot of them are doing less transaction volume than in previous years &amp; in lots of cases their business turnover has decreased significantly.

Nowadays, most agents are offering pretty much the same thing as their competition and it has now become a huge commission shoot out. After speaking with a number of agents within NSW - in the majority of cases the average selling fees have actually reduced this year.

Sure they will make an extra 7 - 10 cents on property management fees but the article neglects to mention that the agents are also having to process, in many cases in excess of 30 applications for one property &amp; an overwhelming volume of tenant enquiry.

PS. If the average percentage increase is only supposed to be 4.8%, I&#039;d love to see how this percentage compares to the price increases of the newspapers &amp; major real estate portals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting smear article. There is an old saying about Finger Pointing &#8211; When you point your finger at someone there are three fingers pointed back at you.</p>
<p>&#8220;The real estate rip-off was revealed by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in their producer price index released yesterday that showed the annual rise in business costs and charges.<br />
While Australian businesses overall recorded a 4.8 per cent increase in the past year, real estate agents fees and charges increased by 16.57 per cent. &#8221;</p>
<p>The cost of running a real estate agency keeps escalating. The level of customer service &amp; the man hours that have to be dedicated towards marketing a property, plus, add to this all the red tape that agents have to go through now to comply with recent law changes. The workload is getting absurd.</p>
<p>When Jenman mentions &#8220;For example, an agent may pay $100 a month to advertise a property as much as they want &#8212; and can then charge whatever they want to their customers.&#8221; Neil obviously thinks that the updating of the internet is done by waving a magic wand. Just ask the marketing person in any office if they are volunteers or on the pay role. In many offices the uploading of properties onto the internet has become an additional full-time job, so your $100 a month has just blown out to about $3000/month Neil.<br />
(Maybe if the Approved office had someone dedicated to making sure their internet marketing was correct they mightn&#8217;t have got such a bad rap &#8211; who knows?)</p>
<p>In recent years the real estate agent licensing requirements has also been made easier which has created more competition. With the real threat of mobile/virtual agencies entering the market the competition will only keep increasing.</p>
<p>While agents may be charging a bit more in some cases, a hell of a lot of them are doing less transaction volume than in previous years &amp; in lots of cases their business turnover has decreased significantly.</p>
<p>Nowadays, most agents are offering pretty much the same thing as their competition and it has now become a huge commission shoot out. After speaking with a number of agents within NSW &#8211; in the majority of cases the average selling fees have actually reduced this year.</p>
<p>Sure they will make an extra 7 &#8211; 10 cents on property management fees but the article neglects to mention that the agents are also having to process, in many cases in excess of 30 applications for one property &amp; an overwhelming volume of tenant enquiry.</p>
<p>PS. If the average percentage increase is only supposed to be 4.8%, I&#8217;d love to see how this percentage compares to the price increases of the newspapers &amp; major real estate portals.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/02/anti-jenman-collection/#comment-3467</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and ROBERT.. in that report
&quot;&quot;In New South Wales the greatest hidden charge is the kickbacks in advertising. For example, an agent may pay $100 a month to advertise a property as much as they want -- and can then charge whatever they want to their customers.&#039;&#039;

You&#039;d know all about that hey ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and ROBERT.. in that report<br />
&#8220;&#8221;In New South Wales the greatest hidden charge is the kickbacks in advertising. For example, an agent may pay $100 a month to advertise a property as much as they want &#8212; and can then charge whatever they want to their customers.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d know all about that hey ?</p>
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