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	<title>Comments on: Realestate.com.au Email Enquiry Delivery Problems?</title>
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		<title>By: Rosalie Day</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3807</link>
		<dc:creator>Rosalie Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have just received e-mail inquiries which date back to April 2008.  We are very concerned that realestate.com.au have lost other inquiries which could potentially have costs us $1000s in sales &amp; rental inquiries.  Does anyone know if realestate.com are going to offer a refund of fees, which should be the minimum as it does not go even close to the potential losses we have suffered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have just received e-mail inquiries which date back to April 2008.  We are very concerned that realestate.com.au have lost other inquiries which could potentially have costs us $1000s in sales &amp; rental inquiries.  Does anyone know if realestate.com are going to offer a refund of fees, which should be the minimum as it does not go even close to the potential losses we have suffered.</p>
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		<title>By: Summary of the Realestate.com.au email fiasco &#124; Business2 Real Estate Agent News and Information Technology</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3811</link>
		<dc:creator>Summary of the Realestate.com.au email fiasco &#124; Business2 Real Estate Agent News and Information Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 04:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is to form a summary of what we do know to date, and what has been reported in the comments of the original post about www.realestate.com.au email delivery [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is to form a summary of what we do know to date, and what has been reported in the comments of the original post about <a href="http://www.realestate.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.realestate.com.au</a> email delivery [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Simeon</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3810</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Simeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that this made www.crikey.com.au today in the &quot;Tips and Rumours section.&quot;

&quot;Realestate.com.au apparently has had server troubles. In fact the emails to agents (that they pay a lot of money for) from interested buyers around April and May just didn&#039;t work properly. The backlog has only been clearing in the last day or so. Lots of VERY unhappy agents and the class action word has already been mentioned as there is potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost commission.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that this made <a href="http://www.crikey.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.crikey.com.au</a> today in the &#8220;Tips and Rumours section.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Realestate.com.au apparently has had server troubles. In fact the emails to agents (that they pay a lot of money for) from interested buyers around April and May just didn&#8217;t work properly. The backlog has only been clearing in the last day or so. Lots of VERY unhappy agents and the class action word has already been mentioned as there is potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost commission.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: craig pontey</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3809</link>
		<dc:creator>craig pontey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another fine mess......I dont hear a peek out of REA anymore...I think that World domination is too much on their minds.....they seem to have forgotten us poor old locals who assisted from the beginning oh well thats life.......

Craig Pontey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another fine mess&#8230;&#8230;I dont hear a peek out of REA anymore&#8230;I think that World domination is too much on their minds&#8230;..they seem to have forgotten us poor old locals who assisted from the beginning oh well thats life&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Craig Pontey</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3808</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people trying to sweep it under the carpet are  in the minute minority and none of them seem to have a subscription. One even seems to have a substantial financial stake in the company (plus even more of a connection to the company still not disclosed?). They have their opinion but it must be taken in context.

What makes the whole mess even worse is that REA releases a note to all clients stating that only &quot;some&quot; clients were effected.

That is like a slap in the face  especially when they admit this first occured when they upgraded the servers. So not only is their monitoring procedures useless, but so is their upgrade procedures.

Anybody who has ever upgraded anything on a server knows that is the time you check, check and check again. If anything is going to fail, that is the time. Most large companies will do upgrades on test servers first before they upgrade mission critical computers and thats the crux of the problem... their mission critical computers failed and they did not notice for at least 6 weeks, and probably longer. They failed to check properly.. and that&#039;s unacceptable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people trying to sweep it under the carpet are  in the minute minority and none of them seem to have a subscription. One even seems to have a substantial financial stake in the company (plus even more of a connection to the company still not disclosed?). They have their opinion but it must be taken in context.</p>
<p>What makes the whole mess even worse is that REA releases a note to all clients stating that only &#8220;some&#8221; clients were effected.</p>
<p>That is like a slap in the face  especially when they admit this first occured when they upgraded the servers. So not only is their monitoring procedures useless, but so is their upgrade procedures.</p>
<p>Anybody who has ever upgraded anything on a server knows that is the time you check, check and check again. If anything is going to fail, that is the time. Most large companies will do upgrades on test servers first before they upgrade mission critical computers and thats the crux of the problem&#8230; their mission critical computers failed and they did not notice for at least 6 weeks, and probably longer. They failed to check properly.. and that&#8217;s unacceptable.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Ricci</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3812</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ricci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The agent should have realised weeks ago&quot; is a comment that has annoyed me for a while also. There is one big reason why this was made all the more difficult for agents.

This is because all email enquiries did not stop - agents I have spoken to all continued to receive email enquiries and it is clear from Dave&#039;s comment that this problem only effected one or more of the number of servers.

If the enquires ceased altogether then I am sure it would have been picked up earlier by both agents and REA.

This would have been a very long weekend for REA and I am sure this will never happen again  (or I would hope that it wouldn&#039;t!

But it does seem that sloppy monitoring and security are becoming the norm for even the biggest IT companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The agent should have realised weeks ago&#8221; is a comment that has annoyed me for a while also. There is one big reason why this was made all the more difficult for agents.</p>
<p>This is because all email enquiries did not stop &#8211; agents I have spoken to all continued to receive email enquiries and it is clear from Dave&#8217;s comment that this problem only effected one or more of the number of servers.</p>
<p>If the enquires ceased altogether then I am sure it would have been picked up earlier by both agents and REA.</p>
<p>This would have been a very long weekend for REA and I am sure this will never happen again  (or I would hope that it wouldn&#8217;t!</p>
<p>But it does seem that sloppy monitoring and security are becoming the norm for even the biggest IT companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Agent</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3813</link>
		<dc:creator>Coastal Agent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 08:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to note the number of people giving comments along the lines of &#039;the agent should have realised weeks ago&#039;. Has anyone ever tried to resolve anything with REA support people? Typical IT people I found; nothing is ever wrong on their side of the equation, it&#039;s just that everyone else is stupid.

Account reps then? They found it surprising that we&#039;d experienced a severe lack of enquiries, maybe we should take a &#039;feature all&#039; setup??

Now that it&#039;s established that it was an IT problem and not the agent, or the lack of spending a couple of thousand dollars a month extra the simnple fact is that no one will be able to tell for sure just how much REA&#039;s stuff up has cost agents, owners, buyers and landlords. Certainly REA should be coming up with an &#039;across the board&#039; solution before everyone becomes totally dismayed with them but I won&#039;t be holding my breath. Some advice for Shane Dale at myhome, make sure your email servers stay up!

An earlier post I made resulted in someone suggesting that REA had no idea that the server was down and that they should invest in some monitoring software. All I can say is that our small business server 2003 tells me when a service stops and we&#039;re just a real estate office. If a market leading website delivering email leads to agents doesn&#039;t have some monitoring of it&#039;s web services, where are the other holes in the system and when will they crash??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note the number of people giving comments along the lines of &#8216;the agent should have realised weeks ago&#8217;. Has anyone ever tried to resolve anything with REA support people? Typical IT people I found; nothing is ever wrong on their side of the equation, it&#8217;s just that everyone else is stupid.</p>
<p>Account reps then? They found it surprising that we&#8217;d experienced a severe lack of enquiries, maybe we should take a &#8216;feature all&#8217; setup??</p>
<p>Now that it&#8217;s established that it was an IT problem and not the agent, or the lack of spending a couple of thousand dollars a month extra the simnple fact is that no one will be able to tell for sure just how much REA&#8217;s stuff up has cost agents, owners, buyers and landlords. Certainly REA should be coming up with an &#8216;across the board&#8217; solution before everyone becomes totally dismayed with them but I won&#8217;t be holding my breath. Some advice for Shane Dale at myhome, make sure your email servers stay up!</p>
<p>An earlier post I made resulted in someone suggesting that REA had no idea that the server was down and that they should invest in some monitoring software. All I can say is that our small business server 2003 tells me when a service stops and we&#8217;re just a real estate office. If a market leading website delivering email leads to agents doesn&#8217;t have some monitoring of it&#8217;s web services, where are the other holes in the system and when will they crash??</p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3816</link>
		<dc:creator>AJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill Shields -

Your market monitor product is interesting... particularly the wording... reads like your company scrapes agents websites of listings (publicly available) to do comparative stats for your customers... ?

www.inhabit.com.au/am-MarketMonitor.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Shields -</p>
<p>Your market monitor product is interesting&#8230; particularly the wording&#8230; reads like your company scrapes agents websites of listings (publicly available) to do comparative stats for your customers&#8230; ?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.inhabit.com.au/am-MarketMonitor.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.inhabit.com.au/am-MarketMonitor.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/06/realestatecomau-email-enquiry-delivery-problems/#comment-3814</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Checking out the investor site of realestate.com.au it looks like the person we should be questioning is Chris Vulovic - their &quot;Chief Information and Operating Officer&quot;.

The title is rather ironic.  From Wikipedia:  Dramatic Irony is &quot;when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or character does not.&quot;

Glenn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Checking out the investor site of realestate.com.au it looks like the person we should be questioning is Chris Vulovic &#8211; their &#8220;Chief Information and Operating Officer&#8221;.</p>
<p>The title is rather ironic.  From Wikipedia:  Dramatic Irony is &#8220;when words and actions possess a significance that the listener or audience understands, but the speaker or character does not.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glenn</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Vincent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be able to claim some sort of compensation is it prudent for agents to keep these emails as a reference or would REA be hoping that the emails are now seen as useless by the agents &amp; hope that they are all deleted ? I&#039;m no barrister but isn&#039;t it going to be hard for an agent/client to claim any compensation without the physical proof ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be able to claim some sort of compensation is it prudent for agents to keep these emails as a reference or would REA be hoping that the emails are now seen as useless by the agents &amp; hope that they are all deleted ? I&#8217;m no barrister but isn&#8217;t it going to be hard for an agent/client to claim any compensation without the physical proof ?</p>
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