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	<title>Comments on: The Ugly Side of Twitter For Real Estate Agents Online</title>
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		<title>By: Sal Espro</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal Espro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 04:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite agree, Glenn. We don&#039;t support scammers in any industry and would like to assist you and your efforts if you wouldn&#039;t mind providing some details please, Carsten. After-all, even A Current Affair would want some real info to proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite agree, Glenn. We don&#8217;t support scammers in any industry and would like to assist you and your efforts if you wouldn&#8217;t mind providing some details please, Carsten. After-all, even A Current Affair would want some real info to proceed.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5415</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 00:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten, 

&lt;b&gt;Agents who scam the elderly for personal profit don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten, </p>
<p><b>Agents who scam the elderly for personal profit don</b></p>
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		<title>By: carsten andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5411</link>
		<dc:creator>carsten andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats right - ignore people who complain and try to obfuscate. Agents who scam the elderly for personal profit don&#039;t exist.? What burden of proof do you want? Do you expect someone in a wheelchair to testify on Today Tonight before you believe it?  Just how much evidence do you need before you stand up and condemn it 

http://www.jenmanfightsback.com.au/item.php?id=29
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats right &#8211; ignore people who complain and try to obfuscate. Agents who scam the elderly for personal profit don&#8217;t exist.? What burden of proof do you want? Do you expect someone in a wheelchair to testify on Today Tonight before you believe it?  Just how much evidence do you need before you stand up and condemn it </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jenmanfightsback.com.au/item.php?id=29" rel="nofollow">http://www.jenmanfightsback.com.au/item.php?id=29</a><br />
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		<title>By: Sal Espro</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5295</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal Espro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten,
Would you mind just focussing your complaint please in order that we might better address it?
At the moment you have made a very broad-sweeping claim against all agents dealing with all vendors in the broad Frankston region. Apart from personally finding this pretty difficult to believe, I would be interested in how many cases the untoward agents in whichever region you are really talking about have &#039;rorted&#039; and how many of such agents you have thus far isolated. If there is a case to answer, you will need to provide such information. And then, I&#039;m sure, you will begin to be &#039;heard&#039; as a more rational complainant.
Hope this assists.

Sal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten,<br />
Would you mind just focussing your complaint please in order that we might better address it?<br />
At the moment you have made a very broad-sweeping claim against all agents dealing with all vendors in the broad Frankston region. Apart from personally finding this pretty difficult to believe, I would be interested in how many cases the untoward agents in whichever region you are really talking about have &#8216;rorted&#8217; and how many of such agents you have thus far isolated. If there is a case to answer, you will need to provide such information. And then, I&#8217;m sure, you will begin to be &#8216;heard&#8217; as a more rational complainant.<br />
Hope this assists.</p>
<p>Sal</p>
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		<title>By: carsten andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5199</link>
		<dc:creator>carsten andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 14:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If its not on A Current Affair, then everything must be above board so there is no harm done. 

If the government hasn&#039;t nabbed any rogue agents yet, then everyone must be doing the right thing out there. 

The above themes perpetuated by some of you do not even once answer the plight of the elderly who are often given the lowest sales figures for the suburb when being persuaded to sell. How ethical is that? No it may not be criminal. But its a grubby practice being used extensively in Frankston. Affected agents shouldn&#039;t cry &quot;defamation&quot; about twitter when they themselves wreck their own brand names. 

Hasn&#039;t anyone a moment ot consider the elderly, the weak, the uninformed? 
Or are our commissions more important than people?

I&#039;ve been told to put up or shut up by Glenn.  And kindly but petulant Sal told me I might be sued for defamation (although not by him) if I kept this up. He may not have meant it to be a threat but its the usual sort of bullying that agents tend to use when facing criticism. The Customer is NEVER right -and agents can do no wrong. 

Again - people, please answer me: How ethical is it when elderly people are scammed with improper sales evidence and are too weak to put up a fight or complain. What sort of Darwinian society do you agents live in that you ignore this sort of misbehavior?  When replying, please attend to the issue of the elderly first.  

Twitter empowers the weak to stand up! Honest agents have nothing to fear. Slimy ones should think about doing the right thing or leaving the industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If its not on A Current Affair, then everything must be above board so there is no harm done. </p>
<p>If the government hasn&#8217;t nabbed any rogue agents yet, then everyone must be doing the right thing out there. </p>
<p>The above themes perpetuated by some of you do not even once answer the plight of the elderly who are often given the lowest sales figures for the suburb when being persuaded to sell. How ethical is that? No it may not be criminal. But its a grubby practice being used extensively in Frankston. Affected agents shouldn&#8217;t cry &#8220;defamation&#8221; about twitter when they themselves wreck their own brand names. </p>
<p>Hasn&#8217;t anyone a moment ot consider the elderly, the weak, the uninformed?<br />
Or are our commissions more important than people?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been told to put up or shut up by Glenn.  And kindly but petulant Sal told me I might be sued for defamation (although not by him) if I kept this up. He may not have meant it to be a threat but its the usual sort of bullying that agents tend to use when facing criticism. The Customer is NEVER right -and agents can do no wrong. </p>
<p>Again &#8211; people, please answer me: How ethical is it when elderly people are scammed with improper sales evidence and are too weak to put up a fight or complain. What sort of Darwinian society do you agents live in that you ignore this sort of misbehavior?  When replying, please attend to the issue of the elderly first.  </p>
<p>Twitter empowers the weak to stand up! Honest agents have nothing to fear. Slimy ones should think about doing the right thing or leaving the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5090</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry.. as Sal points out.. sometimes your buyer is the client and the seller the customer if you are a buyers agent. That is still pretty rare in Australia but it is growing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry.. as Sal points out.. sometimes your buyer is the client and the seller the customer if you are a buyers agent. That is still pretty rare in Australia but it is growing.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5089</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten,

That was certainly worded poorly by Greg. I think what he meant to say is that an agent has two relationships. The seller is a client relationship but the buyer is a customer relationship.

An agents fiduciary duty always remains with the seller however he still has a customer relationship and along with that goes legal, moral and ethical responsibilities to that buyer.

If agents are genuinely breaking their duty to their client I dont have a problem with them getting punished and personally I would actually encourage it. Just like the fact that there are dodgy solicitors, accountants and car mechanics.. so is there dodgy real estate operators and they should be weeded out but let the facts lead the way not attacks on peoples reputation because those claims had better be true.

The sheer breadth of the claims covering so many people and the cloak and dagger stuff smack of a smear campaign run for somebody</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten,</p>
<p>That was certainly worded poorly by Greg. I think what he meant to say is that an agent has two relationships. The seller is a client relationship but the buyer is a customer relationship.</p>
<p>An agents fiduciary duty always remains with the seller however he still has a customer relationship and along with that goes legal, moral and ethical responsibilities to that buyer.</p>
<p>If agents are genuinely breaking their duty to their client I dont have a problem with them getting punished and personally I would actually encourage it. Just like the fact that there are dodgy solicitors, accountants and car mechanics.. so is there dodgy real estate operators and they should be weeded out but let the facts lead the way not attacks on peoples reputation because those claims had better be true.</p>
<p>The sheer breadth of the claims covering so many people and the cloak and dagger stuff smack of a smear campaign run for somebody</p>
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		<title>By: Carsten Andersen</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5088</link>
		<dc:creator>Carsten Andersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 09:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect Greg. Most agents are just like you. (i refer to your comment </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect Greg. Most agents are just like you. (i refer to your comment</p>
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		<title>By: Sal Espro</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5087</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal Espro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

RE: Your statement that, &quot;unfortunately agents we have 2 customers within any sales department. A seller &amp; a buyer. ....which customer is right?&quot;

This is a common misconception and should be addressed for your own and the wider industry&#039;s benefit.

Despite wanting to keep the buyer happy to keep the on the line as a prospective listing client, &lt;strong&gt;you must only have one client!&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Your client is the seller if&lt;/strong&gt; it is they by whom you are being paid. (Generally based on commish %).
&lt;strong&gt;Your client is the buyer if&lt;/strong&gt; it is they by whom you are being paid. (Generally based on commish %).
 
Apart from lacking morality, not acting in the best interests of your vendor client would have 2 adverse affects on your business: 
1. Vendors would be wary of you crunching their agreed price with you. 
2. Buyers you helped to &#039;crunch&#039; the vendor would be wary of using you to list in future.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>RE: Your statement that, &#8220;unfortunately agents we have 2 customers within any sales department. A seller &amp; a buyer. &#8230;.which customer is right?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a common misconception and should be addressed for your own and the wider industry&#8217;s benefit.</p>
<p>Despite wanting to keep the buyer happy to keep the on the line as a prospective listing client, <strong>you must only have one client!</strong><br />
<strong>Your client is the seller if</strong> it is they by whom you are being paid. (Generally based on commish %).<br />
<strong>Your client is the buyer if</strong> it is they by whom you are being paid. (Generally based on commish %).</p>
<p>Apart from lacking morality, not acting in the best interests of your vendor client would have 2 adverse affects on your business:<br />
1. Vendors would be wary of you crunching their agreed price with you.<br />
2. Buyers you helped to &#8216;crunch&#8217; the vendor would be wary of using you to list in future.</p>
<p>Sal</p>
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		<title>By: Sal Espro</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/05/the-ugly-side-of-twitter-for-real-estate-agents-online/#comment-5086</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal Espro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 09:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carsten,
As Glenn noted, I certainly wasn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carsten,<br />
As Glenn noted, I certainly wasn</p>
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