Comments on: Google Caffeine: The Winners and Losers http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/ Real Estate Agent News and Information Technology Sat, 11 Feb 2012 10:30:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brenley http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-15243 Brenley Mon, 29 Aug 2011 16:54:16 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-15243 Your story was really informative, thanks! Your story was really informative, thanks!

]]> By: KOMMENTKING http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6592 KOMMENTKING Tue, 15 Sep 2009 03:34:31 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6592 I don't know where else to put this comment but trying to sign up for the rss feed was impossible. I got a bunch of error messages and then my computer froze up and I had to stop. Oh well, at least I can always just come here to read. I don’t know where else to put this comment but trying to sign up for the rss feed was impossible. I got a bunch of error messages and then my computer froze up and I had to stop. Oh well, at least I can always just come here to read.

]]> By: Shane Dale http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6492 Shane Dale Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:35:25 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6492 MC, I am sorry of you took it that way, but the trouble with short text messages here is they can be read without "tone of voice" but just to be clear - the comment was simply that - more listings on myhome will have an upward SEO effect on the portal, if myhome can get such results with less listings than either domain or homehound, yet still deliver a higher ranking that shows - potential, and expertise in SEO. If the site is free, and gets a reasonable amount of enquiry - then what excuse is there for agents to not join - unfortunately MC , I can say from experience - apathy is a large part of this issue - despite quite alot of motivated agents who write here - many agents bemoan high fees then dont support alternatives. I just dont know what else to offer those agents - happy to hear views to help ( preferably by email not here). Finally - PBL didnt buy myhome from me, they created from the technologies I had, then ignored all advice from me, as such I cant comment on their activities from that time. Hopefully that makes me less of a pain in the arse now I have cleared the air. ;-) MC, I am sorry of you took it that way, but the trouble with short text messages here is they can be read without “tone of voice” but just to be clear – the comment was simply that – more listings on myhome will have an upward SEO effect on the portal, if myhome can get such results with less listings than either domain or homehound, yet still deliver a higher ranking that shows – potential, and expertise in SEO.

If the site is free, and gets a reasonable amount of enquiry – then what excuse is there for agents to not join – unfortunately MC , I can say from experience – apathy is a large part of this issue – despite quite alot of motivated agents who write here – many agents bemoan high fees then dont support alternatives. I just dont know what else to offer those agents – happy to hear views to help ( preferably by email not here).

Finally – PBL didnt buy myhome from me, they created from the technologies I had, then ignored all advice from me, as such I cant comment on their activities from that time. Hopefully that makes me less of a pain in the arse now I have cleared the air. ;-)

]]> By: MC http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6488 MC Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:36:10 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6488 Dale, I reckon you were bloody lucky to have PBL buy MyHome. It was never any good. And you are jeopardising your current marketing of it with continued comments like, "SO Dale, I reckon you were bloody lucky to have PBL buy MyHome. It was never any good. And you are jeopardising your current marketing of it with continued comments like, “SO

]]> By: Glenn Batten http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6486 Glenn Batten Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:57:46 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6486 What is already happening, and what may be further enhanced is new pages on established and trusted domains are given an extra emphasis in the results. This started over a year or two ago but its reasonable to assume for the reasons that Greg has provided that this may be enhanced even further... but as Nick highlights, just improving new pages for the sake of it will never work as the spammers will abuse it.. This is related to the discussion going on right now in the Single Property Websites article. New domains are effectively sandboxed by Google till they are matured. They are indexed and they will come up for totally unique searches on their specific content.. but they dont rank for broader searches. What is already happening, and what may be further enhanced is new pages on established and trusted domains are given an extra emphasis in the results. This started over a year or two ago but its reasonable to assume for the reasons that Greg has provided that this may be enhanced even further… but as Nick highlights, just improving new pages for the sake of it will never work as the spammers will abuse it.. This is related to the discussion going on right now in the Single Property Websites article. New domains are effectively sandboxed by Google till they are matured. They are indexed and they will come up for totally unique searches on their specific content.. but they dont rank for broader searches.

]]> By: Nick http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6485 Nick Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:36:46 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6485 I dont think that will be completely true. So much of the web doesnt change frequently, and there is a awful lot of content in those pages. I imagine Caffeine is more of a update to allow 'incremental indexing'. So they can do a big crawl, and then afterward add new pages to the index as well as they are crawled instead of them having to wait to be added. I highly doubt Google will change its ranking behavior to favor new pages. That would trash the quality of the results and its too easily manipulated. I dont think that will be completely true.
So much of the web doesnt change frequently, and there is a awful lot of content in those pages.

I imagine Caffeine is more of a update to allow ‘incremental indexing’.
So they can do a big crawl, and then afterward add new pages to the index as well as they are crawled instead of them having to wait to be added.

I highly doubt Google will change its ranking behavior to favor new pages.
That would trash the quality of the results and its too easily manipulated.

]]> By: Greg Vincent http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6480 Greg Vincent Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:10:05 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6480 Nick, with the capacity already in place to search Google for pages posted in the last 24 hours, 7 days, etc, with the evolution of Google Caffeine I feel that it's going to become harder for agents with basic (cookie cutter) websites & with minimal changes happening to their sites to remain competitive & relevant within Google's new algorithm. Regularly updated sites are going to reign supreme. Blogging, user generated content & tweeting, etc will play an even bigger part in an agents SEO strategy. (especially with real-time search) Nick, with the capacity already in place to search Google for pages posted in the last 24 hours, 7 days, etc, with the evolution of Google Caffeine I feel that it’s going to become harder for agents with basic (cookie cutter) websites & with minimal changes happening to their sites to remain competitive & relevant within Google’s new algorithm.

Regularly updated sites are going to reign supreme. Blogging, user generated content & tweeting, etc will play an even bigger part in an agents SEO strategy. (especially with real-time search)

]]> By: Nick http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6478 Nick Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:20:49 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6478 Thats a good point Greg Vincent. Google has started to add new features like showing current trends with Google Trends and adding the ability to search for pages posted in the last 24 hours. This will probably help them extend those features. Thats a good point Greg Vincent.
Google has started to add new features like showing current trends with Google Trends and adding the ability to search for pages posted in the last 24 hours.

This will probably help them extend those features.

]]> By: Glenn Batten http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6473 Glenn Batten Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:49:14 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6473 Nick, It is definitely faster... it even tells you it is :) Saving 0.2 seconds for the individual user does not actually make that much of a difference... but for google the scalability would be huge with millions of searches being conducted at any one time. Reports vary on exactly how many searches Google conducts every day.. but generally they range from a few hundred million queries to 1.2 billion queries per day. If you save 0.2 seconds from every query that is a damn lot of server cpu time freed up. Still it's hard to give that too much credit just yet because it is not running with too much of a load right now but it would be nice if that saving remains. Nick,

It is definitely faster… it even tells you it is :)

Saving 0.2 seconds for the individual user does not actually make that much of a difference… but for google the scalability would be huge with millions of searches being conducted at any one time.

Reports vary on exactly how many searches Google conducts every day.. but generally they range from a few hundred million queries to 1.2 billion queries per day. If you save 0.2 seconds from every query that is a damn lot of server cpu time freed up.

Still it’s hard to give that too much credit just yet because it is not running with too much of a load right now but it would be nice if that saving remains.

]]> By: Glenn Batten http://www.business2.com.au/2009/08/google-caffeine-the-winners-and-losers/#comment-6472 Glenn Batten Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:39:08 +0000 http://www.business2.com.au/?p=1836#comment-6472 It works fine Robert.. You might be having problems with flash.... try shutting down your browser and trying again. It works fine Robert.. You might be having problems with flash…. try shutting down your browser and trying again.

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