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	<title>Comments on: Real Estate Photos Being Altered But By Domain Not Open2View</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6844</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, 

It&#039;s not really a case of any image editing. 

With domain if you were to right click on the image and save it to your desktop you will see that the image file itself is fine. It is simply the way they present it on their page. A simple change in their coding should have been all that was necessary..  I thinks it was more about not applying a fixed image width attribute in the page code. They were forcing an image to be displayed at that width even when the image itself is not that wide. 

I am happy to advise that the problem is now fixed and domain is displaying images correctly.. 

Well done guys!

352 Edgeware Road NEWTOWN For Sale $699,000 @ domain.com.au
 http://bit.ly/jksUd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not really a case of any image editing. </p>
<p>With domain if you were to right click on the image and save it to your desktop you will see that the image file itself is fine. It is simply the way they present it on their page. A simple change in their coding should have been all that was necessary..  I thinks it was more about not applying a fixed image width attribute in the page code. They were forcing an image to be displayed at that width even when the image itself is not that wide. </p>
<p>I am happy to advise that the problem is now fixed and domain is displaying images correctly.. </p>
<p>Well done guys!</p>
<p>352 Edgeware Road NEWTOWN For Sale $699,000 @ domain.com.au<br />
 <a href="http://bit.ly/jksUd" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/jksUd</a></p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6843</link>
		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, great article - I would be more concerned about any publisher trying to claim a company was &quot;altering&quot; images when it is a mere case of the default behavior of most image editing algorithm&#039;s.  Most image editing apis by default will shoehorn the source image into the proposed image size. To do anything other than this *usually* requires the programmer to implement EXTRA logic to detect wether the image is portrait or landscape &amp; crop and scale appropriately as you allude to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, great article &#8211; I would be more concerned about any publisher trying to claim a company was &#8220;altering&#8221; images when it is a mere case of the default behavior of most image editing algorithm&#8217;s.  Most image editing apis by default will shoehorn the source image into the proposed image size. To do anything other than this *usually* requires the programmer to implement EXTRA logic to detect wether the image is portrait or landscape &amp; crop and scale appropriately as you allude to.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ross</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6840</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 01:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what the office of fair trading would have to say about this? Misleading or is the agent making the best out of a fairly impossible situation.....http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2660393/Estate-agents-fail-to-mention-the-two-power-stations-next-door-to-idyllic-cottage-for-sale.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what the office of fair trading would have to say about this? Misleading or is the agent making the best out of a fairly impossible situation&#8230;..<a href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2660393/Estate-agents-fail-to-mention-the-two-power-stations-next-door-to-idyllic-cottage-for-sale.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2660393/Estate-agents-fail-to-mention-the-two-power-stations-next-door-to-idyllic-cottage-for-sale.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6835</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wish all these websites would offer support for new cameras. There really can&#039;t be too many cameras left shooting 4:3.

They take our beautiful photos and crop the ends off meaning you may as well have just shot with a standard lense anyway.

Hubonline is the worst offender because they just distort the image before uploading it making a nice photo fuzzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wish all these websites would offer support for new cameras. There really can&#8217;t be too many cameras left shooting 4:3.</p>
<p>They take our beautiful photos and crop the ends off meaning you may as well have just shot with a standard lense anyway.</p>
<p>Hubonline is the worst offender because they just distort the image before uploading it making a nice photo fuzzy.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6819</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 06:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine then, i&#039;ll go elsewhere when looking for residences with a curvature! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine then, i&#8217;ll go elsewhere when looking for residences with a curvature! <img src='http://www.business2.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6818</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simon, 

I never expect everyone is going to agree with any post, where would the fun be in that, but seriously your not going to try and suggest that a curve in the balcony from a photography technique is the same as making a property look twice as big as it is?.  That a bit of a hard sell....  :)

Photography brings with it a range of effects that we don&#039;t see with our own eye. Wide angle lens curving straight lines, parallax error and flattened perspective are just some of the examples but for my mind none of them is the same as taking a finished photo that the agent provides and stretching  or squeezing it to a different aspect ratio altogether. 

It&#039;s nice to see you invested some time on our site trying to find something to support your already conceived point though.... It shows you care, and really thats all that matters... !   :)

 
Nick, 

Thats actually not totally true. The panorama software is rendering it to a cylinder rather than a flat plane or a sphere which are the other options. Each gives you a different finished view. Hugin offers exactly the same options. 

I could have done a flat plane but because it is two frames side by side it often gives a false impression of the size as far as I am concerned, much like a super wide angle lens. If it was 4 photos.. 2 on the bottom and two on the top I would have used the flat plane rendering.  Think of cylinder as turning your head through a room and the other one is looking left and right  into your periphery vision. Its the perspective that changes.   In the case of the domain photo above, it is not an issue of perspective at all.  

We use AutoPano Pro which is a commerical offering but its feature set is much the same as the free open source Hugin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simon, </p>
<p>I never expect everyone is going to agree with any post, where would the fun be in that, but seriously your not going to try and suggest that a curve in the balcony from a photography technique is the same as making a property look twice as big as it is?.  That a bit of a hard sell&#8230;.  <img src='http://www.business2.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Photography brings with it a range of effects that we don&#8217;t see with our own eye. Wide angle lens curving straight lines, parallax error and flattened perspective are just some of the examples but for my mind none of them is the same as taking a finished photo that the agent provides and stretching  or squeezing it to a different aspect ratio altogether. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to see you invested some time on our site trying to find something to support your already conceived point though&#8230;. It shows you care, and really thats all that matters&#8230; !   <img src='http://www.business2.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nick, </p>
<p>Thats actually not totally true. The panorama software is rendering it to a cylinder rather than a flat plane or a sphere which are the other options. Each gives you a different finished view. Hugin offers exactly the same options. </p>
<p>I could have done a flat plane but because it is two frames side by side it often gives a false impression of the size as far as I am concerned, much like a super wide angle lens. If it was 4 photos.. 2 on the bottom and two on the top I would have used the flat plane rendering.  Think of cylinder as turning your head through a room and the other one is looking left and right  into your periphery vision. Its the perspective that changes.   In the case of the domain photo above, it is not an issue of perspective at all.  </p>
<p>We use AutoPano Pro which is a commerical offering but its feature set is much the same as the free open source Hugin.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6815</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahaha Simon that photo is clearly several stitched together. You can see a blend line on the left side of the chair.

Curving straight edges means the panorama hasnt been told about the layout correctly.
Tools such as Hugin allow you to indicate what are straight lines to correct that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha Simon that photo is clearly several stitched together. You can see a blend line on the left side of the chair.</p>
<p>Curving straight edges means the panorama hasnt been told about the layout correctly.<br />
Tools such as Hugin allow you to indicate what are straight lines to correct that.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6814</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*or a &quot;journo&quot; even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*or a &#8220;journo&#8221; even.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6813</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 04:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yawn! Talk about an acute angle to take a stab at Domain - you should be a hourno Glenn, you&#039;ve missed your calling!

You know what they say -  people who live in glass houses shouldn&#039;t throw stones - i&#039;d be very disappointed if i turned up to this house you have for sale, only to find it doesn&#039;t have a curved balcony! 
How misleading of you and your office Glenn.

http://202.91.7.245/apps/web/imageSelect.cfm?propertyID=1142904&amp;requesttimeout=120</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawn! Talk about an acute angle to take a stab at Domain &#8211; you should be a hourno Glenn, you&#8217;ve missed your calling!</p>
<p>You know what they say &#8211;  people who live in glass houses shouldn&#8217;t throw stones &#8211; i&#8217;d be very disappointed if i turned up to this house you have for sale, only to find it doesn&#8217;t have a curved balcony!<br />
How misleading of you and your office Glenn.</p>
<p><a href="http://202.91.7.245/apps/web/imageSelect.cfm?propertyID=1142904&#038;requesttimeout=120" rel="nofollow">http://202.91.7.245/apps/web/imageSelect.cfm?propertyID=1142904&#038;requesttimeout=120</a></p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/10/real-estate-photos-being-altered-but-by-domain-not-open2view/#comment-6803</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 23:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, 

As you pointed out Domain have issues with typical compact camera resolutions and aspect ratios (which is 4:3) but don&#039;t forget digital SLR cameras typically shoot in 16:9 so the aspect ratio is different again and are warped by domain. More and more agents are using SLR cameras as they should.

We also use software called autopano pro to stitch multiple photos together and that can create some really weird aspect ratios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, </p>
<p>As you pointed out Domain have issues with typical compact camera resolutions and aspect ratios (which is 4:3) but don&#8217;t forget digital SLR cameras typically shoot in 16:9 so the aspect ratio is different again and are warped by domain. More and more agents are using SLR cameras as they should.</p>
<p>We also use software called autopano pro to stitch multiple photos together and that can create some really weird aspect ratios.</p>
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