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	<title>Comments on: Price Freeze Over: Can Realestate.com.au Justify a Price Rise?</title>
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		<title>By: Investment Properties Brisbane</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-10947</link>
		<dc:creator>Investment Properties Brisbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one can justify this issue, all the big brokers and third party sellers have an important role in rise of price of property in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one can justify this issue, all the big brokers and third party sellers have an important role in rise of price of property in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-10782</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fairly cool post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I&#039;ve really appreciated studying your weblog posts. Anyway I</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fairly cool post. I simply stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say that I&#8217;ve really appreciated studying your weblog posts. Anyway I</p>
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		<title>By: my Home is For sale</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8140</link>
		<dc:creator>my Home is For sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason I commented on this thread is it is humorous to me that the agents are attacking the portals and yet the portals are trying very hard to protect average agents from business like mine. 
It seems to me that some agents might be trying to jump from the coal face into the fire. If Google becomes the top portal and they allow and promote private listings they could grow the private selling market overnight and we would all be squabbling over 20% - 50% less business.It might be better to stick with the devil you know.

What ever happens I will be in there swinging and will be nimble enough to react and prosper. Exciting times ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason I commented on this thread is it is humorous to me that the agents are attacking the portals and yet the portals are trying very hard to protect average agents from business like mine.<br />
It seems to me that some agents might be trying to jump from the coal face into the fire. If Google becomes the top portal and they allow and promote private listings they could grow the private selling market overnight and we would all be squabbling over 20% &#8211; 50% less business.It might be better to stick with the devil you know.</p>
<p>What ever happens I will be in there swinging and will be nimble enough to react and prosper. Exciting times ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8139</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst it&#039;s very obvious that discount services aren&#039;t going to go away anytime soon...

Real estate agents are going to need to focus on implementing ways that they can deliver a greater level of service, improve response times, adopt different marketing strategies, become more innovative and provide lots of evidence that they are worth every cent of their commission.

Those agents that do will be able to thrive, regardless of who enters their marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst it&#8217;s very obvious that discount services aren&#8217;t going to go away anytime soon&#8230;</p>
<p>Real estate agents are going to need to focus on implementing ways that they can deliver a greater level of service, improve response times, adopt different marketing strategies, become more innovative and provide lots of evidence that they are worth every cent of their commission.</p>
<p>Those agents that do will be able to thrive, regardless of who enters their marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8138</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 04:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see realestate.com.au allowing this to happen for too long because it will have a long term impact on their subscriptions/revenue.

Not that I&#039;d like to see this happen, but MHIFS if your business model continues to exist within their site due to their legal obligation under their Terms &amp; Conditions, one way forward that I can see is to allocate service area boundaries ( say 40 km radius ) for each subscription and charge agents an exorbitant fee for uploading properties outside of their service area.

I can imagine that a 40km radius service area would have next to no impact on REA&#039;s current subscribers. If it did, then they may be able to allocate larger areas for rural areas &amp; the 40 kms radius for Metropolitan areas. 

I&#039;m pretty sure it&#039;s not something that REA would really want to do, but if your business model &amp; similar ones continue to grow in momentum, they may not have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see realestate.com.au allowing this to happen for too long because it will have a long term impact on their subscriptions/revenue.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;d like to see this happen, but MHIFS if your business model continues to exist within their site due to their legal obligation under their Terms &amp; Conditions, one way forward that I can see is to allocate service area boundaries ( say 40 km radius ) for each subscription and charge agents an exorbitant fee for uploading properties outside of their service area.</p>
<p>I can imagine that a 40km radius service area would have next to no impact on REA&#8217;s current subscribers. If it did, then they may be able to allocate larger areas for rural areas &amp; the 40 kms radius for Metropolitan areas. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure it&#8217;s not something that REA would really want to do, but if your business model &amp; similar ones continue to grow in momentum, they may not have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: my Home is For sale</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8137</link>
		<dc:creator>my Home is For sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 03:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most other industries have been able to use the internet to reduce the costs to the consumer by increasing businesses capacity to be more efficient and productive. Why should the Real Estate Industry be any different?
How do you realistically think you will be able to stop entrepreneurs from creating links to do the job more efficiently? I&#039;m surprised you are not one of the hundreds of complaints realestate.com.au has received about this businesses. Every hurdle they put up I have overcome and will continue to.
The reason most agents think they have to get 3% to sell a home is they can&#039;t see how the can achieve more sales with less time because the whole industry has been conditioned to only offer a full service full fee product.
 I don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most other industries have been able to use the internet to reduce the costs to the consumer by increasing businesses capacity to be more efficient and productive. Why should the Real Estate Industry be any different?<br />
How do you realistically think you will be able to stop entrepreneurs from creating links to do the job more efficiently? I&#8217;m surprised you are not one of the hundreds of complaints realestate.com.au has received about this businesses. Every hurdle they put up I have overcome and will continue to.<br />
The reason most agents think they have to get 3% to sell a home is they can&#8217;t see how the can achieve more sales with less time because the whole industry has been conditioned to only offer a full service full fee product.<br />
 I don</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8136</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The sooner that agents, franchise groups &amp; institutes sit up and take notice about how to combat this type of business model the better.&quot;

The best way to combat this business model is to provide value for money. Based upon the average commission of $9687 I don&#039;t think most people would consider this is good value for money. Even if it is good value, I think the perception is that it is not. 

I would be interested in hearing how much time is spent selling the average house. Based on a $10,000k commission I would expect around 80 hours work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The sooner that agents, franchise groups &amp; institutes sit up and take notice about how to combat this type of business model the better.&#8221;</p>
<p>The best way to combat this business model is to provide value for money. Based upon the average commission of $9687 I don&#8217;t think most people would consider this is good value for money. Even if it is good value, I think the perception is that it is not. </p>
<p>I would be interested in hearing how much time is spent selling the average house. Based on a $10,000k commission I would expect around 80 hours work.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Vincent</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8134</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MHIFS I&#039;m not trying to protect the weakest agencies, I&#039;m trying to show agents, franchise groups and the institutes how they will be able to continue to remain as relevant as possible when competing against business models like yours. ( Prediction: More sites like yours are on their way ). 

Whilst private sellers may currently only be 1% of the industry, a 95% reduction in the average selling fee would be extremely attractive to a seller and could threaten to undermine the Australian Real Estate Industry as we know it.

&#039;Even with the dificulties of promoting my model we are already selling 20-25 properties per week.&#039;

20-25 properties a week is 1300 sales per year. Assuming that you continue at this level, your annual turnover for 2010 would be approx. $650,000.00 allowing for no growth.

Now if your customers decided to use a typical agent instead (avge fee $9687.00) then approx. $12,593,100.00 would be paid out to agents. That&#039;s $11,943,100.00 worth of potential sales commission taken out of the coffers of typical agent commissions.

Now I know MHIFS that you said previously that you focus on targeting the private seller market &amp; the commissions I have calculated above may not be going into agent&#039;s hands in the first place, but I&#039;m very concerned about the growth of your business model &amp; the other sites that will naturally come in and offer similar services throughout the Australian Marketplace. 

Warning: Sticking the head in the sand &amp; saying that it&#039;s only a small percentage of the market is the last thing our industry can afford to do.

The sooner that agents, franchise groups &amp; institutes sit up and take notice about how to combat this type of business model the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MHIFS I&#8217;m not trying to protect the weakest agencies, I&#8217;m trying to show agents, franchise groups and the institutes how they will be able to continue to remain as relevant as possible when competing against business models like yours. ( Prediction: More sites like yours are on their way ). </p>
<p>Whilst private sellers may currently only be 1% of the industry, a 95% reduction in the average selling fee would be extremely attractive to a seller and could threaten to undermine the Australian Real Estate Industry as we know it.</p>
<p>&#8216;Even with the dificulties of promoting my model we are already selling 20-25 properties per week.&#8217;</p>
<p>20-25 properties a week is 1300 sales per year. Assuming that you continue at this level, your annual turnover for 2010 would be approx. $650,000.00 allowing for no growth.</p>
<p>Now if your customers decided to use a typical agent instead (avge fee $9687.00) then approx. $12,593,100.00 would be paid out to agents. That&#8217;s $11,943,100.00 worth of potential sales commission taken out of the coffers of typical agent commissions.</p>
<p>Now I know MHIFS that you said previously that you focus on targeting the private seller market &amp; the commissions I have calculated above may not be going into agent&#8217;s hands in the first place, but I&#8217;m very concerned about the growth of your business model &amp; the other sites that will naturally come in and offer similar services throughout the Australian Marketplace. </p>
<p>Warning: Sticking the head in the sand &amp; saying that it&#8217;s only a small percentage of the market is the last thing our industry can afford to do.</p>
<p>The sooner that agents, franchise groups &amp; institutes sit up and take notice about how to combat this type of business model the better.</p>
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		<title>By: my Home is For sale</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8133</link>
		<dc:creator>my Home is For sale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg we do advertise on www.realestate.com.au and I have been asked by realestate.com.au not to use their trademak on our web site. This is another example of the portals trying to quash any threts to their revenue streams as there are hundreds of traditional agents doing exactly this. I am also unable to pay for banner advertising on either domain or realestate.com.au&#039;s sites. 
Your right to feel threatened if your trying to protect the weakest agents.If your an agent thats sales stratigy is stick in on realestate.com.au and rame the first offer home then you don&#039;t deserve to be paid 3%.
In Canada 50% of all real estate sales are conducted privatly, in the UK and the USA its approximatly 15% - 20% in Italy it&#039;s more like 80%. I estimate it is less tan 1% in Australia with is a direct reflection industry sites being dominant. If they lose their dominance the self sites will gain traction which is not in any agents interest no matter what their fee structure is. 

Max domain chages $250 every 28 days to private sellers in SA WA QLD &amp; NT, they charge $500 in NSW and VIC. I also have a traditinal real estate agency that that has seperate subscriptions and domain only charges this business less than $370 pm because we have only reciently taken this subscription and traded for the past 10 years without it. Domain knows i would not pay any more. This business has 2-3 times the revenue of My home is For Sale which is charged over $5000 per month although the domain subscription has limmited benifit. If i was a shareholder of domain I would be happy here all this as they have obviously worked out how to squeese the most out of each customer. 
Even with the dificulties of promoting my model we are already selling 20-25 properties per week. Why? Becuse My Home is For Sale sell properties for the highest possible price for the lowest passible cost giving the best net result. Which should be the aim of every good agent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg we do advertise on <a href="http://www.realestate.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.realestate.com.au</a> and I have been asked by realestate.com.au not to use their trademak on our web site. This is another example of the portals trying to quash any threts to their revenue streams as there are hundreds of traditional agents doing exactly this. I am also unable to pay for banner advertising on either domain or realestate.com.au&#8217;s sites.<br />
Your right to feel threatened if your trying to protect the weakest agents.If your an agent thats sales stratigy is stick in on realestate.com.au and rame the first offer home then you don&#8217;t deserve to be paid 3%.<br />
In Canada 50% of all real estate sales are conducted privatly, in the UK and the USA its approximatly 15% &#8211; 20% in Italy it&#8217;s more like 80%. I estimate it is less tan 1% in Australia with is a direct reflection industry sites being dominant. If they lose their dominance the self sites will gain traction which is not in any agents interest no matter what their fee structure is. </p>
<p>Max domain chages $250 every 28 days to private sellers in SA WA QLD &amp; NT, they charge $500 in NSW and VIC. I also have a traditinal real estate agency that that has seperate subscriptions and domain only charges this business less than $370 pm because we have only reciently taken this subscription and traded for the past 10 years without it. Domain knows i would not pay any more. This business has 2-3 times the revenue of My home is For Sale which is charged over $5000 per month although the domain subscription has limmited benifit. If i was a shareholder of domain I would be happy here all this as they have obviously worked out how to squeese the most out of each customer.<br />
Even with the dificulties of promoting my model we are already selling 20-25 properties per week. Why? Becuse My Home is For Sale sell properties for the highest possible price for the lowest passible cost giving the best net result. Which should be the aim of every good agent.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2009/12/price-freeze-over-can-realestate-com-au-justify-a-price-rise/#comment-8121</link>
		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff Greg.. will be interested in the results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff Greg.. will be interested in the results.</p>
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