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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-10819</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, just to confirm, I meant Pay Per Click in the sense of pay per inquiry sent, not pay per click as in Google Adwords.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, just to confirm, I meant Pay Per Click in the sense of pay per inquiry sent, not pay per click as in Google Adwords.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-10818</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just confirm, being in the car industry from a direct retail sales back ground, and now in a company that offers services to dealers, I can 100% CONFIRM that, if not all, almost all dealers pay somewhere close to $35 PER CLICK, regardless of where it came from, who inquired and how good the lead is.  Almost every dealer who want to use carsales.com.au has to pay per click at about $35. Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just confirm, being in the car industry from a direct retail sales back ground, and now in a company that offers services to dealers, I can 100% CONFIRM that, if not all, almost all dealers pay somewhere close to $35 PER CLICK, regardless of where it came from, who inquired and how good the lead is.  Almost every dealer who want to use carsales.com.au has to pay per click at about $35. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8541</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John.. 

Ha?

Firstly... what relevance is that?  News Ltd have a range of businesses they operate and a number they hold investments in. REA is just one of the latter.  

REA is run independently as a public company and the fact that it&#039;s major shareholder also owns a company has no bearing on the article whatsoever. Yahoo also invested in Google but they were run independently of each other.  In fact they even sue each other. 

The REA model and the auto models are not the same which was the crux of the article. I suggested REA should look at the Motor Industry if it wanted to keep increasing revenue.  Covering a niche with two brands owned by the same or associated  group is hardly earth shattering. Go and check the toothpaste next time you are at the shops. Despite all those brands and different options available just a few companies own the majority of the sales in the sector. 

Secondly.. blogs are not strictly journalistic work. Whilst they can report the news it is more about personal opinion. In this case I did actually realise the connection you raised (there logo is on the realestate.com.au websites is the first clue) but I thought it added nothing to the core of the discussion. The difference was in the models and the motor industry is IMHO being shafted and get agents to question if we have really a lot to bitch about when they increase our fees. 

The fact that it is being shafted by business who is owned by a very large public company that has also invested as a shareholder in another public company that runs numerous real estate portals around the world one of which is also the major real estate portal in Australia,,,,,, does not change the discussion at hand. I really dont have an issue providing similar sort of info to provide a background to the article... I do it all the time.. just when I think its relevant.  

Thirdly.... Plenty have people add further information to the articles, comments and opinions.. thats what the whole blogging experience is about.. I dont take offence at it at all.. Everyone has an opinion and something to add.. but in this case I specifically asked for others peoples input int he last paragraph..  If you think it was relevant then certainly add it into the mix but I wouldn&#039;t naturally assume that I and every other person who has commented on this article missed that fact.  Instead you had a bad day and want to take swipes that I and &quot;others&quot; have not done research before putting fingers to keyboards (or even &quot;pen&quot; to paper). 

If you want to explain what relevance you think there is to that connection in the context of the discussion I would love to hear it. Whilst I respect your right to have an opinion, I dont have to agree with it, nor you mine. 

ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John.. </p>
<p>Ha?</p>
<p>Firstly&#8230; what relevance is that?  News Ltd have a range of businesses they operate and a number they hold investments in. REA is just one of the latter.  </p>
<p>REA is run independently as a public company and the fact that it&#8217;s major shareholder also owns a company has no bearing on the article whatsoever. Yahoo also invested in Google but they were run independently of each other.  In fact they even sue each other. </p>
<p>The REA model and the auto models are not the same which was the crux of the article. I suggested REA should look at the Motor Industry if it wanted to keep increasing revenue.  Covering a niche with two brands owned by the same or associated  group is hardly earth shattering. Go and check the toothpaste next time you are at the shops. Despite all those brands and different options available just a few companies own the majority of the sales in the sector. </p>
<p>Secondly.. blogs are not strictly journalistic work. Whilst they can report the news it is more about personal opinion. In this case I did actually realise the connection you raised (there logo is on the realestate.com.au websites is the first clue) but I thought it added nothing to the core of the discussion. The difference was in the models and the motor industry is IMHO being shafted and get agents to question if we have really a lot to bitch about when they increase our fees. </p>
<p>The fact that it is being shafted by business who is owned by a very large public company that has also invested as a shareholder in another public company that runs numerous real estate portals around the world one of which is also the major real estate portal in Australia,,,,,, does not change the discussion at hand. I really dont have an issue providing similar sort of info to provide a background to the article&#8230; I do it all the time.. just when I think its relevant.  </p>
<p>Thirdly&#8230;. Plenty have people add further information to the articles, comments and opinions.. thats what the whole blogging experience is about.. I dont take offence at it at all.. Everyone has an opinion and something to add.. but in this case I specifically asked for others peoples input int he last paragraph..  If you think it was relevant then certainly add it into the mix but I wouldn&#8217;t naturally assume that I and every other person who has commented on this article missed that fact.  Instead you had a bad day and want to take swipes that I and &#8220;others&#8221; have not done research before putting fingers to keyboards (or even &#8220;pen&#8221; to paper). </p>
<p>If you want to explain what relevance you think there is to that connection in the context of the discussion I would love to hear it. Whilst I respect your right to have an opinion, I dont have to agree with it, nor you mine. </p>
<p>ha!</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8538</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen &amp; others, maybe do your research a little better before you attempt to pen an article. who own a major share in REA? the same company who own one of the auto &quot;portals&quot; you reference in you article..... ha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen &amp; others, maybe do your research a little better before you attempt to pen an article. who own a major share in REA? the same company who own one of the auto &#8220;portals&#8221; you reference in you article&#8230;.. ha.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8087</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen &quot; I can</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen &#8221; I can</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8036</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the reasons carsales.com.au&#039;s original portal owner, PBL, struggled with MyHome was because they attempted to copy the carsales model to real estate. i.e. inventory integration, industry ownership (tried minority ownership unlike autos where it was greater), they also wanted to charge &#039;per lead&#039; like car sales but couldn&#039;t see how to get away with it!
Anyhow, that&#039;s autos. They&#039;re different so let&#039;s get back to the main game, eh :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the reasons carsales.com.au&#8217;s original portal owner, PBL, struggled with MyHome was because they attempted to copy the carsales model to real estate. i.e. inventory integration, industry ownership (tried minority ownership unlike autos where it was greater), they also wanted to charge &#8216;per lead&#8217; like car sales but couldn&#8217;t see how to get away with it!<br />
Anyhow, that&#8217;s autos. They&#8217;re different so let&#8217;s get back to the main game, eh <img src='http://www.business2.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Batten</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8033</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zac, 
It is not per qualified lead apparently. The portal does not qualify you and only charge the dealer if it is a genuine enquiry, they charge for all enquiries.  What their conversion rate from enquiry to sale is I could not tell you but it would have to work or they would not be continuing you would not think. 

Aryan, 
The dealer I used that told me they pay $30+ per enquiry was part of the AHG group which is anything but a small dealership with 105 separate dealerships in their stable.  

Max, 
That other industry &quot;you know&quot; has many participants that average down their enquiry costs by supplementing portals costs with SEM and other online marketing.  My point in the article was that from my experience car dealers do not seem to be doing this at all. I would not expect any company in either industry to forgo portals to run a PPC campaign in total replacement of running a portal subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zac,<br />
It is not per qualified lead apparently. The portal does not qualify you and only charge the dealer if it is a genuine enquiry, they charge for all enquiries.  What their conversion rate from enquiry to sale is I could not tell you but it would have to work or they would not be continuing you would not think. </p>
<p>Aryan,<br />
The dealer I used that told me they pay $30+ per enquiry was part of the AHG group which is anything but a small dealership with 105 separate dealerships in their stable.  </p>
<p>Max,<br />
That other industry &#8220;you know&#8221; has many participants that average down their enquiry costs by supplementing portals costs with SEM and other online marketing.  My point in the article was that from my experience car dealers do not seem to be doing this at all. I would not expect any company in either industry to forgo portals to run a PPC campaign in total replacement of running a portal subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8032</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, thanks for your article. I have a brother who sells cars and was amazed to find this out a couple years ago....don&#039;t know how they get away with charging that. But as Max said it is all linked to their accounting software and is very hard to change the culture.

Thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, thanks for your article. I have a brother who sells cars and was amazed to find this out a couple years ago&#8230;.don&#8217;t know how they get away with charging that. But as Max said it is all linked to their accounting software and is very hard to change the culture.</p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8031</link>
		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha Quite right, Max. Try 15 years ago! There is certainly a story to tell there some day! *L*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha Quite right, Max. Try 15 years ago! There is certainly a story to tell there some day! *L*</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2010/01/real-estate-portals-costs-it-could-always-be-worse/#comment-8028</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a consumer I like dealers getting back to me and treating my lead as important. So if the dealer is paying all the better. The lead should be qualified tough and I can assure you dealers would be smart enough here. Also if I was a dealer I would welcome qualifies leads, the more the better. As someone else said as a dealer I want to move stock and at $30 or even at $100 (if it takes three leads). also I assume, advertising on google may get you clicks but qualified leads may be very expensive and I am going to miss out. Anyhow with my limited knowledge of motors this is what I can say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a consumer I like dealers getting back to me and treating my lead as important. So if the dealer is paying all the better. The lead should be qualified tough and I can assure you dealers would be smart enough here. Also if I was a dealer I would welcome qualifies leads, the more the better. As someone else said as a dealer I want to move stock and at $30 or even at $100 (if it takes three leads). also I assume, advertising on google may get you clicks but qualified leads may be very expensive and I am going to miss out. Anyhow with my limited knowledge of motors this is what I can say.</p>
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