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		<title>Ninemsn goes with Domain</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2008/11/ninemsn-goes-with-domain/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ricci</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[News has been coming thick and fast. It is Domain&#8217;s turn now. Ninemsn has signed an exclusive deal to carry domain.com.au&#8217;s listings starting from Monday the 1st of December. From my understanding REA did not renew the deal which saw them paying Ninemsn for traffic, much like any advertising deal. Whilst this is not a [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 15px; width:240px;">
		<img src="http://www.business2.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/domain_ebay.jpg" width="240" />
		</p><p>News has been coming thick and fast. It is <a title="Domain" href="http://www.domain.com.au" target="_blank">Domain&#8217;</a>s turn now. <a title="Ninemsn" href="http://www.ninemsn.com.au" target="_blank">Ninemsn</a> has signed an exclusive deal to carry domain.com.au&#8217;s listings starting from Monday the 1st of December.</p>
<p>From my understanding <a title="REA Australia" href="http://www.realestate.com.au" target="_blank">REA</a> did not renew the deal which saw them paying <a title="Ninemsn" href="http://www.ninemsn.com.au" target="_blank">Ninemsn</a> for traffic, much like any advertising deal. Whilst this is not a bad deal for domain (and agents) and will increase traffic to their website, I still don&#8217;t see <a title="Ninemsn" href="http://www.ninemsn.com.au" target="_blank">Ninemsn</a> as the beast it used to be and therefore it may only have a minimal impact on traffic.</p>
<p>Having said that Ninemsn still do have a large visitor count, especially with people that do not know how to change their default home page.</p>
<p>Domain also has a deal with <a title="Ebay" href="http://ebay.domain.com.au/?_trksid=m37" target="_blank">Ebay.com.au</a> and <a title="Just Listed" href="http://www.justlisted.com.au" target="_blank">Justlisted.com.au</a> (remember them?)</p>
<p>Would be interesting to know where my readers actually go to view their news. Do you go to Ninemsn.com.au?</p>
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		<title>Privacy be damned!</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2007/12/privacy-be-damned/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Batten</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sir Francis Bacon (1561 &#8211; 1626) once said &#8220;Knowledge is Power&#8221; Its nearly 2008 and even after 400 years things have not changed that much. Data is knowledge, therefore today, data is power. Why is it then that agents put up with portals using our data for their own gains? The major portals have all [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir Francis Bacon (1561 &#8211; 1626) once said &#8220;Knowledge is Power&#8221;</p>
<p>Its nearly 2008 and even after 400 years things have not changed that much. Data is knowledge, therefore today, data is power.</p>
<p>Why is it then that agents put up with portals using our data for their own gains? The major portals have all done deals to provide our data to other companies. <a href="http://www.domain.com.au" title="Domain">Domain</a> sends the agents data it collects to <a href="http://www.apm.com.au/">APM</a> and <a href="http://www.realestate.com.au">REA</a> send it to <a href="http://www.rpdata.com.au">RPData</a>.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.realestate.com.au" title="REA">REA</a> relies on a very open ended clause in their terms and conditions that states  “by using the Service, you grant us an irrevocable, world-wide, royalty free licence to commercialise, copy, license to other persons, use and adapt for any purpose any material you generate or submit to make use of the Service.” No doubt <a href="http://www.domain.com.au" title="Domain">Domain</a> has a similar such clause.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realestate.com.au" title="REA">REA</a> would argue that this sort of clause is required so can have agents properties on other portals like <a href="http://www.ninemsn.com.au" title="NineMSN">ninemsn</a> but because it is so open ended the portals use the benefits of these clauses to send your data to a partner companies.</p>
<p>With access to live data of properties for sale and sold, companies like <a href="http://www.rpdata.net.au/" title="RPData">RPDATA</a> and <a href="http://www.apm.com.au/" title="APM">APM</a> have rolled out or are in the process of rolling out new data solutions such as offering market and investment reports to the public, all for a fee of course. I believe that in some cases, agents are being resold their own processed data back again.  If the agents were getting a benefit out of this then you can bet the marketing departments from the portals would be yelling it from the rooftops. Instead, the authority is hidden away in the terms and conditions.</p>
<p>I was assured by a senior staff member of one of the major portals that they only sent publicly available information to their associated data partner. The argument being that the information could be scraped anyway. It turns out that was easily proved incorrect and after his own investigations he has confirmed that other data outside of what is being publicly displayed is being sent in that data feed.</p>
<p>Where is the damage in all this to us, the agents?  There are dozens of scenarios if not more that could affect you but here is a couple that might.</p>
<p>Your client database is valuable. The larger and more up to date and accurate it is, the more valuable it is as a vital part of your goodwill. Ask any agent who has sold his sales business recently. They will tell you how their established client database increased their sale price or how the lack of such a database cost them money.</p>
<p>What if your opposition was offered a database containing the names and addresses, property details, sales details, photos, contact phone numbers of every single sale your agency has made in the past 10 years. Remember the terms and conditions you agreed with allowed an irrevocable, world-wide, royalty free licence to commercialise, copy, license to other persons. Effectively these companies can do what they like with any information you put in the back end of a portal and you have no say in it.</p>
<p>Every agency should have a privacy policy in place. How many of those privacy policies allow for the private data of our clients being sent by the portals to <a href="http://www.rpdata.net.au/" title="RPData">RPData</a> or <a href="http://www.apm.com.au/" title="APM">APM</a>. If your policy does not specifically list the portals you use, it should at least have something like “We may also disclose the personal information, other information or data we collect from you for the purpose specified to you at the time of collection or for another purpose if you would reasonably expect us to disclose it for that purpose; and that purpose is related to the purpose specified to you at the time of collection.”</p>
<p>I believe that sending information to a property portal would be easily covered by this sort of clause if it was not specifically stated in a privacy policy but since most agents don’t even know this data pipeline is going on I doubt it could be argued that their clients could reasonably expect their data to end up in the <a href="http://www.rpdata.net.au/" title="RPData">RPData</a> database as well. Nor do I believe that any agent notifies a client that at the time of data collection that their data will reside on a third party property data base Do these deals done with our data put agents in jeopardy for breaching our clients privacy?  Who will be held responsible should a complaint be upheld?</p>
<p>I have posed these very same questions but am still awaiting a response.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realestate.com.au" title="REA">REA</a> have switched off our agency&#8217;s details being forwarded to <a href="http://www.rpdata.net.au/" title="RPData">RPData</a> and the <a href="http://www.domain.com.au" title="Domain">Domain</a> rep has just told me that <a href="http://www.domain.com.au" title="Domain">Domain</a>&#8216;s feed to <a href="http://www.apm.com.au/" title="APM">APM</a> can be disconnected for an agency if requested as well. I would strongly suggest any agency ensures their privacy policy and any privacy notices cover these data feeds if they don&#8217;t already or even get them cut off like we did.</p>
<p>I believe that agents should have to opt in for any third party to receive our data plus have the ability to opt out at any time and that all such feeds be transparent and not cloaked in secrecy behind some all encompassing clause in the terms and conditions. I believe that agents should decide where their data is sent because ultimately we will be responsible for its misuse. We should always be in control of our own data, and remain in power in this industry.</p>
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		<title>Realestate.com.au and Ninemsn renew partnership!</title>
		<link>http://www.business2.com.au/2007/08/realestatecomau-and-ninemsn-renew-partnership/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 04:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Peter Ricci</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Realestate.com.au has renewed its partnership with Ninemsn to continue to carry listings for an undisclosed period of time. Ninemsn obviously understood that carrying listings from MyHome and dumping REA would not be good for continuing its success. “Both companies benefit from the extension of this agreement,” said realestate.com.au’s General Manager, Shaun Di Gregorio. “For us [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realestate.com.au has renewed its partnership with Ninemsn to continue to carry listings for an undisclosed period of time. Ninemsn obviously understood that carrying listings from MyHome and dumping REA would not be good for continuing its success.</p>
<p>“Both companies benefit from the extension of this agreement,” said realestate.com.au’s General Manager, Shaun Di Gregorio. “For us it means continued exposure to ninemsn’s audience of more than 8 million unique browsers.”</p>
<p>“The association with realestate.com.au fits with ninemsn’s strategy of partnering with category leaders,” said Jason Scott, Commercial Director, ninemsn. “It’s a win for our audience to have access to Australia’s most complete and popular real estate content.”</p>
<p>Well I know who it is NOT a win for &#8211; and that is MyHome as it continues to be a who cares website despite trying to woo agents with a new car (and a $2000 a year subscription) &#8211; might be worthwhile entering, odds are probably going to be about a 10% chance of success.<br />
<a href="http://www.business2.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/ninemsnrealestatecomau-final-300807.doc" title="Ninemsn">Full Press Releases Here</a></p>
<p>As for the millions of Australians that do not know how to change their home page from the default Ninemsn (loads with Internet Explorer by Default on all new computers in Australia) here is a quick primer.</p>
<p><strong>Firefox</strong><br />
1. Go to a good website<br />
2. Go to Tools/Options/Main<br />
3. Change the Default Home Page</p>
<p><strong>Internet Explorer</strong><br />
1. Go to a good website<br />
2. Go to Tools/Internet Options/<br />
3. Change the Default Home Page</p>
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